We are looking at the local stock rule and will be stepping up the tech. Our cuurent rule are that local diesel must run stock turbos,pumps and injectors. Local gas trucks will have stock engines components with stock carb or fuel systems. Local class are not high proformance classes. We have classes for high proformace trucks with the proper safety equipment in place. There is a place for every truck, and I encourage everyone to read the rule for all classes and see where they best fit in.
--Steve

We are looking at the local stock rule and will be stepping up the tech. Our cuurent rule are that local diesel must run stock turbos,pumps and injectors. Local gas trucks will have stock engines components with stock carb or fuel systems. Local class are not high proformance classes. We have classes for high proformace trucks with the proper safety equipment in place. There is a place for every truck, and I encourage everyone to read the rule for all classes and see where they best fit in.
--Steve

what class would i run if i had a road worthy truck but i have holley carb headers and aluminum intake cause circuit 5500 no intake or headers and next step would be super stock and there way out of my league

The way the rules are worded, it sound like you are between classes. What rules would you suggest to have in place for the local class that would ensure trucks are not coming out with as much power as our ciruit stock class that we enforce the same safety equipment as the Super Stock 4x4 class?
--Steve

I think u should change the local 4x4 so u can have aluminum intake and headers thats it no aftermarket heads no race gas drive them in to the pulls

yeah i agree as long as it at least looks like you could drive it on the road i think its ok to compete in the local class there is lots of people who have modified trucks and still drive them everyday just not as amny any more cause of the high gas price. as far as the weight i see no problem putting weight on as long as it does not stick way out front or anything i can't see why you could not have it in the back or fastened behind the bumper.

what I am hearing here in this discussion is that you just outlawed 95 - 100% of the local street boys in any local pull

In my humble opinion get ready to say goodbye to much of your spectators who are there expressly and only for them (about 80% or so of your spectators in my 15 yrs pulling experience) and soon the pull itself will be gone, if you don't have enough paying spectators to keep it alive

As for local diesel - does that mean no boxes either - they can make in excess of 6-700 hp an still have a bone stock truck.

LAst year in all of the local pulls I was at there wasnt a single unmodified diesel that ran - so are you saying there will eb no more local diesel class at all?

Where is the problem safety or otherwise - I didnt see any problems last year except maybe the one local gasser that trailered in and if it is licenced and insured and driven on the road - then again I ask you wheres the issue?

I agree there should be no wieghts ahead of the box which has always been an unspoken but seldem enforced rule

Seems I recall we all started in the local clases with much modified trucks until we stepped up or got out.

Can you show me a single instance where a local truck had an safety related incident in the last 15 years? I think not!

Seems to me theres sum sour grapes, not safety issues goin on here.
--Ken
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Local Rules - what rules - Correct me if I be wrong but last I checked (this morning) there are no rules in either association other than general track safety that pertains to any local truck, gas or diesel - WHY? because it ISN'T a SANCTIONED class!!!!

and there are, nor ever have been IN MY 15 YEARS any published rules for local except that it be licenced and insured.

--Ken

Local Rules - what rules - Correct me if I be wrong but last I checked (this morning) there are no rules in either association other than general track safety that pertains to any local truck, gas or diesel - WHY? because it ISN'T a SANCTIONED class!!!!

and there are, nor ever have been IN MY 15 YEARS any published rules for local except that it be licenced and insured.

--Ken

There are local non-curcuit rule printed on pages 39-40 of the 2006 & 2007 GLTTPA rule book.

Steve

u know i think as long as the local trucks run om pumped gas ie 91 or 94 i think is the highest u can get at snoco around here i think they should be aloud to run when u really wanna make HP u gotta step up to alcohol or race gas heads shouldnt matter if u wanna outlaw aluminum heads
then in my eyes non of the new chevs of fords would be aloud to run IE factory aluminum head or not its still aluminum

Yes Steve - I finally got a printed copy of the GL rules - Someone needs to update the internet site rules as that is where most of us "locals" look for rules and they are not there, on either site GL or Central.

I read the printed rules on the weekend - no where in either the Cotpa or Great LAkes rules does it say "stock" or "stock equipment" or anything else like that, except in relation to diesels in the Great LAkes rules where it says factory turbo and injectors.

There are many factory turbos n injectors that will pump up a smaller truck and I severely doubt anyone in the association is smart enough to visually detect them. I know i cant and I am quite knowledgeable on the subject.

In any event - the executive will be shootin itself in the foot making rediculous interpretations of rules that dont exist about local vehicles

As i said previously - wether we like it or not the local boys/girls are your bread n butter and as i said before - show me any one "safety" incident involving a local pulling vehicle as I cant remember any.

I do however remember more than a few sanctioned class incidents that were caused by executive enforced, incorrect installation of safety equipment

The whole point of the local pulls is to get new people out to try and hopefully move into one of the classes - or heaven forbid - invent a new and exciting one - thats how we grow.

I guarrantee you that if modified local vehicles are not allowed to run there soon wont be any pulls - see spectator base and remember they pay the frieght that keeps us and the promotors running year after year.

It is NOT the sanctioned classes nor the executive that does that - we are just the paid for,(by the spectators n sponsors), entertainment.

In my humble opinion and experience both on the executive, and the track - unless the local vehicle in question is blatantly unsafe ie broken wheel studs or poor tires or mickeymouse hitch etc - Leave em alone n let em have the fun local pulling was intended for

Nuff said

--Ken

yeah i agree run what u brung if its on pump gas giver

So you say you have not seen a safty consurn with local pullers?
What abuot the trucks that come to a pull running big tires, lifts, ect.
I have been inches form being hit by broken drive train parts by this kind of local.
I have seen brand new stock trucks spit out drive shafts.
Just becuse the parts don't make it to the spectaters dose not meen some one is not going to get hert. The people on the track do not whant the mod locals flying past them with nothing to keep things where they belong when things brake. Im not saying to cancle the local classes but try seeing it from the other side of the glass. Local pullers are the next cirit pullers but you have to be resonable..
--Pulling fan #1

just beacuse u have a lift and big tires there is no more chance of something breaking than a bone stock truck u have to draw the line some where with safty if u start making people use drive shaft safety loops there will be no more local people pulling

just because you dont no of any saftey related incidents dosent mean that it cant happen in the future. The HP is going up so safty NEEDS to go up just like every other class. All we need is one person to get injured or worse because GL looked the other way than lose our insurance. than you can say good bye to pulling altogether. That sounds fun.Its time to give up on the "run what you brung attitude". it cant happen. I think it is time to start working together to move forward. Pulling in Ontario is moving ahead.You can either come with us or not. My kids are in those stands, lets keep them safe. they are the future of pulling!
elad
--elad

no local guy is who wants to pull once in his home town is going to want to put a bunch of safety equipment on so i think the local class will go down hill

I think that some people have got the wrong idea about what I was trying to say. I never said to put loops on any local stock truck. The key word Being stock.
As far as lifed trucks go (36" tires and bigger) the stress on the drive train is hugely increced when you run a bigger tire becuse the tracton you get is increced. (Why else did you put Big tires on there for. Fule mileage?) The next problme is shaft angals. The grater the angal the more stress is on that u joint. That is the most common brakage in local pulling.
If there is such a demand for a street legal mod gas class, YOU should make one. There is all ready one for the pro steet diesel trucks.

All I'm saying is that if the culb dose not take care of it self by not leting some people pull becuse the club does not feel there veacle should pull It's for a good reson and the club should be respected for that. Rember no club, no inshureance. No inshureance then there will be NO PULL!

--Pulling fan#1

i have worked at alot of these pulls over the past few years andlet me tell you the locals can be the most ignorant pullers of all. you locals need to follow these rules as written.i will gladley trade places and you tell me nothing unsafe happens i will gladely let you work the track while i drive your truck with the 5 year old u joints and the mickey mouse hitch and i will give u fare warning BEWARE OF FLYING PARTS because i know there will
--tower

i agree with the street legal modified gas class

I was just wondering what the deal was with aluminum heads have they decided on the rules if there licensed insured are we good to pull just wondering the final ruling
--#1 pull man

i just read the rules that great lakes and hot rod diesel are working on for pro street diesel there should be a class like that for gas done up gas trucks that must be licensed and insured with a weight limit of 6000 or what ever it may be i think that is a great class

hey just waitin on final rules for local gas if there is any

I agree with there being street legal sanctioned gasser class. In a way it kind of sucks for "that guy with a 1990 Reg-cab long box 4x4 Chevy with a EFI 454" done up and weighs right around 5500Lbs and he can't pull in the Circut Stock Class. In a way...I think that is the class that has to be changed to alow the guys with EFI alowed into it. When you think about it...the last year a Carbed truck was built in the factory was 1986 give or take a few years...getting harder to find a truck of that age and most of all....the next generation (my brother is 22 and wouldn't have a glue how to work on a carb or probably even know what a choke is but he is damn good with an EFI motor and knows how to tweak it)

Drag racing has gone this way now for the new generation making it easier for the vehicals they like to fit in. How many people under the age of 25 like the looks of a 73-87 Chevy or the early 80 Fords...NOT MANY!!!

This would give them a chance to actually get into a cirut class and actually get to tour around Ontario with the rest of us and have a blast. And I also bet that with having this class you would draw more young guys in to watch...just like the new diesel classes do.

About the diesels...its going the right direction. There are hundreds of diesel realated web forums online and almost everyone has a "preformance" forum or "sled pulling forum". You don't see forums like that on your typical gasser internet forum. I think the diesels are the total future in pulling but with that said I firmly believe that more saftey stuff the better(for $2500 you can get 4 or 5 times the power out of what you would get from a gasser), thats ALOT of potential for flying parts into the stands and I am all for Air-Kills on any diesel class be it truck or tractor.

So in the end, I think opening one class up a bit with changing rules would be the best way to go for the sport and its future.

yeah make a street legal modified gas class i agree with this guy but i like the 73-87 chevys

to the guy who wants a gas class like the pro street .. they still have to run safty equiptment which seems to be were the problem is. I think the potential for a good local class is there but it must be safe. changing the circit stock rules to allow newer trucks sounds good to me with limitations to keep it all fair
--elad

Circut Stock...yeah, it would deffinatly have to have alot of thought involved in the process of coming up with rules that were fair to the current trucks as well as well as the ones already in the class. I am the one that posted a couple posts up (fairly long post) and after thinking more about it...Wondering if the class would be better as a 6000lbs class. Just thinking out loud but alot of the newer class would be hard presses to get down to 5500lbs and most of the local classes are 6000-6500lbs and 8000lbs. Raising the weight up to 6000lbs would bring a new level to the current class and help those new trucks get into it. It would also get a nice variety of truck into the class. Maybe someone else could get a diesel into the class or something like that. As far as aluminum parts go...I am sure you could put in "as long as it was offered from the factory" .

I really do think there is alot of potential in a class like this and would be great for the whole truck pulling comunity and the spectators.

yeah i agree if you make a 6000 pound gas class then i think people would put on the safety stuff and then the local guys can still pull and the people looking for some more competition and have a modified truck can run safety stuff and pull in a new class i am all for the new class i think the guys would put on the safety stuff. now you just need to set rules for the engine?

I think the circuit 5500 guys would not care if you changed it to 6000lbs and allow aluminum intake and headers i think the only problem is makeing them street legal cause most of them guys don't have them on the road

I don't think you would have to have it in the rules as trucks must be street legal to pull in the ciruit stock class. Either or would be more than fair for all participants. I am sure there are some street legal trucks out there that could give the non-legal ones a run for there money.

This class is already setup in a way as a street class/entry level with not alowing weights past the front bumper and other things. Guys could. Just reading thru the rules a little more and the only other thing I could see needing to be changed or addressed would be tire size. Most new trucks come stock with at least a 265/75R16 that is equal to around a 32" tall tire and some leave the factory now with 285's which are a 33" tire.

SuperStock alows 35's I believe which will give enough of a different to tell the differences between the classes.

The larger tire size and the increase to 6000lbs would but a bit more stress on drivetrain but it could make competition increase and put on a better show.

Just so you all know...I don't pull in circuit stock or ever will. I posted the above two larger posts to maybe spark some intrest in others as I would like to see more young people like my self come into the sport.
I currently pull in Pro-Mod diesel with the COTPA with the Black GMC/Cummins. I would love to see Pro-Mod enter Great Lakes as its own class or somehow pull Heads-up or how ever it works with the 4x4 Mods like the 3 tractor classes from Empire State Pullers did at Fergus this past year....But thats another year or 5 years down the road!

Ryan Bambach
--RyanB

I agree that the circuit 5500 would be great with a couple of rule change so that the legals could run with them but u also got to remember some of the locals.. ie younger guys dont have the time to make it to all the pulls nor do they the money to put into there trucks. If your runnin for points what is the sence unless u go to all the pulls?? I pull in local stock and i know and prob most of the other guys know gettin off work to make a pull for 6 oclock when ur not done work till 5 or 530 it can be really tight and if u dont make it in time then its just a waste of time ya u can watch but thats not what u when there for is it. Not to sure what is gonna happin but i wish it would happen soon so us locals that like to make as many pulls as possable knew what we had to do

The spring meeting is April 12th at the Hardball Cafe in Milton. This is going to be a topic and everyone is welcome to have some input.

No one is trying to exclude anyone from pulling. Local classes are very important part of some of our events. There are already classes for everyone from factory stock to blown multi-engines, and safty is addressed in everyone of these.
Are you saying this "Local Street Legal Modified Class" is going to run the same safty equipment as our Circuit Stock Class? If so we can look at it. But is not what started this is modified locals not wanting to run safty equipment.

We have a PRO Steet Diesel class that allows Modifications with the proper safty equipment. What would we be saying as an orginization if we allow an local open diesel class with no safty equipment. If people choice to modify trucks to make more power and they do not fit the local rules and safty concerns for the local class, move up and comply.

Now that we all know that there are PRINTED RULES for the local classes, we should be able to get this right for the 2008 pulling season. Once the final rules are put in place at the spring meeting, we will post and print them for all to see and follow.


Steve

If you do make a local mod class make somr safety equipment for them and if they don't put it on they won't pull I think the guys who want to go in this new class will not have any problems puttin on safety equipment

if the circuit class is allowed alluminum intakes headers 6000 pounds and 33s then it will be to close to a super stock. I dont see the point in having two classes that close together
--elad

there is still a bunch of things that set the Super Stocks apart such as weight out front,higher hitch, vertical exaust, open exaust, alot are running fully gutted trucks including tilt bodies and so on.

Just trying to get something that the newer trucks can fit into.

Maybe you could say in the rules...No headers, Aluminum intakes only if offered by your year and make of truck/motor. That could sove the problem and be fair to all as it was offered out of the factory. I would say the guy with that 1989 Chevy with the 454/aluminum intake is still going to be behind seeing he has an IFS suspension.

Trade off's no matter which way you go I guess. Just have to find something that is a happy medium for all and fair to all.


--RyanB

there is still a bunch of things that set the Super Stocks apart such as weight out front,higher hitch, vertical exaust, open exaust, alot are running fully gutted trucks including tilt bodies and so on.

Just trying to get something that the newer trucks can fit into.

Maybe you could say in the rules...No headers, Aluminum intakes only if offered by your year and make of truck/motor. That could sove the problem and be fair to all as it was offered out of the factory. I would say the guy with that 1989 Chevy with the 454/aluminum intake is still going to be behind seeing he has an IFS suspension.

Trade off's no matter which way you go I guess. Just have to find something that is a happy medium for all and fair to all.


--RyanB

yeah circuit class with aluminum intake headers and 33s are still way off superstock they have like 800 horse big blocks and all the weight if you don't allow aluminum intake and headers all the guys pulling in local class last year that are looking to move up had aluminum intake and headers so if you don't allow that then I don't think many people move up so I think that super stocks would still be a step above this class

yeah circuit class with aluminum intake headers and 33s are still way off superstock they have like 800 horse big blocks and all the weight if you don't allow aluminum intake and headers all the guys pulling in local class last year that are looking to move up had aluminum intake and headers so if you don't allow that then I don't think many people move up so I think that super stocks would still be a step above this class

dont under estimate the circuit stock trucks. The only thing holding some of the trucks back from the SS trucks are intake and headers.I have watched two circuit stock trucks move into SS just to see what they could do and they did very well not just bottom of the pack.Im all for opening the circuit stock class to a factory injection system with a factory alluminum intake. times are changing why not keep up. I think there is no reason for headers, just because the have to run muflers does not mean the muflers are doing alot. I think 33s are to big because the people in the stands need visual differences to seperate the classes.I dont think the weights out front and strait headers are enough, not all the SS run uprights.
my opinion...
--elad

most local stock trucks run 31 inch tires so if circuit run 33s and most super stock run 35 i think the people in the stands should notice

as a pull promoter (Ennismore)Ifeel everyone making comments here is great but you all should be at the sring meeting april 12 to make sure your side of this debait is heard.
The local gas and diesel classes are for an entry level person interested in pulling to give pulling a try. These trucks should be very close to stock in the year they were built. Once the mods start it is now time to pick the sanctioned class and joint it. Sanctioned classes you will find I think much more fun than local even with all the safety equip. and rules. Sanctioned class pullers usually work as a group to effect change in there class.
--Bill Black

I still think if you change the circuit class a bit you will have more people join beacuse a lot of locals have mild engines just rebuilt with small cam intake and some headers and bigger tires and I think they would be willing to put on safety equipment on but not tear the motor apart to put an cast intake on just my thoughts

First of all , sanctioneed classes "EXCLUDE" many people. Period. Second - local pullers are exactly that - non sanctioned!!!!
You have no jursidiction as I recall, from my days as a vice pres and insurance rep.

Second - how do you police a modificication you cant see or even understand ie diesel "boxes" internally modified turbo's etc etc

I go back to my original statement and question - where do you get off tryin to police a street driven "local" truck", with licence and insurance" diesel or gasser. Show me the "incidents" - there arnet any in my memory!! or experience. period!! There are however a few sanctiuoned incidents cus people make rules about saftey equipment that shouldn't be made. Argue me an i will show u the lawsuits!!

And dont quote me " the insurance company" cus I was the insurance rep for this organization for three years!!!!!!!!!

You the executive are way oversteppin the bounds of what you were voted in for - makin the Club better , not bullshit rules to whatever ... argue me all u like

thanx
Ken

Your my HERO... Sounds like you know everything

Ken,
Take a heart pill, relax, sit down, perhaps a glass of water, maybe a yoga class.
Correct me if I am wrong, but is GL not providing the insurance for the locals to pull under? If there was an incident with any class including locals, would it not effect the relationship between GL and the insurance provider? Set me straight Ken.
--No connection to the executive

i will look into the statement made on the PSD page saying that GLTTPA insurance does not insure locals, the fair boards do. If that is correct then this is a fair board issue. In fact I will invite our insurance provider to the meeting and he can fill us in on our responsability as a club.

Steve

Steve,

so anyone new this year anyone done anything new to there puller

All you local pullers wanting rule changes in the Circuit 5500 class just don't get it. If the rule changes included aluminum intakes, headers and a weight of up to 6000lbs; you would have a Super Stock. Did it ever occur to you guys that there is a challenge to preparing a truck within the rules and doing well. The rules are in place to make a level playing field. Meet the rules of any class and you can come out and pull all you want. Makes a person wonder though, all this fuss for the chance of winning first place of $100 in the Circuit 5500. Doesn't cover the cost of fuel to get to and from some of these pulls. Maybe the class needs to be opened up or a new one started; this will all have to be discussed and voted on at a meeting; or a number of meetings.
--Just a fan, not executive

Man there still way off they have like 800 horse 35 inch tires stacks through the hood and full hydralic bodies you can't tell me they are close by adding intake and headers all that will do is get morer people in the class

Man there still way off they have like 800 horse 35 inch tires stacks through the hood and full hydralic bodies you can't tell me they are close by adding intake and headers all that will do is get morer people in the class

how much hp does a tilt body and uprite headers add?

Tilt bodies and upright hedders add no horse power. But they look cool!!

Not every super stock truck has 800 horse, 33" tires, and stacks through the hood. Just look at the points winner last year. If you make the Circuit Stock class aluminum intake, headers, and 33" inch tires you are going to have overlaping classes, not only the apperance but the performance as well. I agree with updating the Circuit Stock class but you still need to have a clear distintion between classes.
--WLE

i say they make a road legal class trucks are inspected so inspect them if they have everythin hooked up IE brakes e brake cables steet legal tires pretty must a safty and it runs on pumped gas and drive it on the road then make a class and it it works then lettem eun in a street legal mod class

yeah thats what i'm saying if you have insurance and drive it on the road whats the big deal if you drive it on the road you can't run race gas you can't make big power and no matter what you say if you add intake and headers there still going to look the same so whats the big deal they don't look like super stock now the only difference is 33 and the ss run 35 so i don't see the big deal your not making much more power by addin a intake and headers

so I think either way make a new class or change circuit 5500 its good either way as long as theres somewhere for us to go

Hi all
Ken here
I would like all of you "local" pullers to send me your thoughts and suggestions for what you would like to see in a set of rules for "local" gas and diesel classes.
Rules are coming wether we like it or not so we might as well have imput.
I will be taking these suggestions to the spring meeting.
If you dont participate yuo cant complain later.
My email is ckr5610@hotmail.com
thanx
Ken

so rules for a new class or improve the local class now

All we are looking at is to improve the local class.

Steve.

not a new class

Just adding safety to the locals so nobody gets hurt.


There are many reasons the sanctioned classes are what they are now.

Personally I dont see them changing appreciably - especially to accomodate local pullers so they can run once or twice a year.

Back in the day, Curcuit stock, and Super Stock decided to not allow efi for the same reasons that they dont allow aluminum heads - too expensive and too easy to get out of hand.
Same reason as i understand it that it took so long to allow blowers in the mod class here - too costly

I cant speak for anyone because i havnt been asked, but I have offered to stand up and help, be the rep, and or the tech rep, and to draft a set of rules that will allow for almost everyone to run safely in the local class if they want to.

I would hope that my 15 years experience as a puller in various classes, as a tech for the Super Stocks, and Cuircut Stock, and having rewrote the GL rule book some five years ago - that I have a pretty good handle on what needs to be done.

That rough draft is ready now.

I am just looking for input and support from you fellow pullers so I can see if i covered all concerns for both you and the executive.

so its going to be the same as last year i think thats was fine. Did anyone complain last year about any local trucks I went to a lot and i don't thiunk there was many problems if thats the case make drive shaft loops and giver i don't know what other rules you would make

u bet i dont think there were to many complants but i think the might just end up beings some who knows really alluminum head efi whats the diffrents now a day u can buy a complete set of after maked aluminum head for the almost the same as a set of stock well unless ur get into big blocks i think we should be aloud to run weights as long as they arnt hangin way out front of the truck cause if they wre i think theyed prob get pulled over on they way to the pulls that is if they are street able trucks and they actually drive them not trailer them drive shaft loops are a diffrent story i have seen the odd one brake but its not half way down the track its at the begining when the get loaded up or mabe right at the end mabe if the hoppin 2 but i thin as long as it runs on pumped gas nor race gas then giver

amuminum heads are all the same weather in a big block or small the only advantage is they dissapate heat faster so therefore you can run higher compression without running better gas If they decide to outlaw aluminum heads then it will be all not just big blocks.

I think some guys must have aluminum heads already

if you guys are going to run all of these modifications and weights out front,better make sure theres a lot of pull back tractors around cause your gonna need them,could probably shorten track to 10 feet instead of 300

what r u saying man my trucks bullet proof

guys in local have bin runnin mods and weights fo a long time not sure he knows what hes talkin about just remember tough anint tough enough

Dont send your thought or ideas to ken. if you have somthing to say be at the meeting and say it. One guy reading off a list is not going to get very far.
--elad

ya well what if we cant make the meeting i think someone should be speakin on behalf of us that cant make it and i bealive that there are a whole lot more where i come from

No it is "NOT" going to be like last year in Great LAkes in regards to the local pullers.

If you as a local puller are not prepared for Saturdays meeting with a set of your own "safety" rules drafted up for consideration, the executive will be making the rules for you and I guarrantee you wont like them if your forced to be sittin in the stands cuz your truck didnt pass tech under the new rules that are gonna be passed on Saturday

Thats what started my being vocal in the first place, - new rules and others makin them for us.

So for those of you sittin waitin to see where the chips fall, be forwarned - Saturday will be too late to argue your case, especially if you are not there, or have not contacted someone like myself to speak for you, or you dont have a reasionble/acceptable draft set of rules yourself.

See ya on saturday

Ken

To correct the person who said that the reason that blower trucks took so long to come into the mod 4x4 class was that it was to costly is totaly wrong. The reason for the blower motor in the mod 4x4 class is it makes the same power as a natualy assperated 650 cubic inch motor for half as much money! How do I know? I got one!

im pretty sure we dont have to worry about blowers seein as u can hear them when there running and not many people can afoord to build a blower motor and no truck came stock with one on it

Being able to pull with any organization at a “sanctioned” event is a privilege, not a right. All the members of the sanctioning body have spent a great deal of time, effort and yes, money to ensure their vehicles are safe and will cause no other member to loose their pulls due to some law suit because all effort was not made to ensure the safety of pullers and spectators alike.

It’s ridiculous to think some one off the street could come in to an event, sanctioned by a pulling club “as they please.” The events on the Great Lakes schedule are signed by the promoters under the impression they will be conducted under the rules of that sanctioning body. An insurance certificate is issued for each event under those circumstances.

Sorry Ken but your wrong, (and of all people you should be aware) the insurance certificate does include the “local classes” and they need to follow any and all rules as stated in the rule book which is sent to the insurance company each and every year. The insurance company implemented the “helmet rule” for all classes which included locals and even highway tractors. The club needs to have rules for daily pullers to ensure the safety of everyone at the event.

As a local puller you are a guest in what ever club is overseeing that pull. To think you can waltz in off the street and do as you please is ludicrous! This is not your party, your the guest here.

If you were invited to someone’s home would you tell them I’m going to smoke here because I smoke at my house? Would you say I’m going to leave my shoes on and muck up your floors because I do at my house? You play by the host’s rules or you go home and do what you want.

It makes no difference what club your pulling with, at least have some respect for the members that pay a yearly membership that makes it possible for you to come and have a kick at the cat.

Not a member of the club
Not a member of the executive

any news on the rules

i guess there is no change

I beleive there is a misconception here.

My only beef was rules being made without imput from the class(s) to be ruled.

No other class in the club would stand for it - why should the locals.

I never once suggested "do as you please or as I please"

Having an opinion or not agreeing with the "process" is not the same as doing as one pleases.

For the record - the safety rules I proposed were substantially more strict than the ones the executive put forward,in the hopes that more local pullers might be allowed to pull than might otherwise be possible, and still be safe.

As to what I know better - well memory is a fickle thing at best, that blurrs over time - and things "have" changed over the time since i was last a club memeber, as well.

So this doesnt become a pissin contest i will have all future conversations via telephone and email with the executive - not here.

For those waiting on the rules news - there was no decision on Saturday for an approved set of rules - the executive and concerned parties will be working hand in hand over the next while to try and put a resolve to a set of workable rules we can all enjoy and participate with.

The approved rules will be posted on the web site, and in any handouts to be given to the promotors. No body will have an excuse for not knowing the "rules" this year as it pertains to them.

I appologize to anyone who felt slighted by my opinions on this matter

Right or wrong - At least I signed my name, and offered to stand up for, what I beleive is the right thing to do - its not the first time I have felt the need to be the black sheep ;o)

I thank all of you who emailed me.

I'm outa here ;o)

Good luck to all and have a great year pulling!!!

A copy of the Local rules are now on our web site under our Rule Book link at the end of the page under Local Rules.
Steve,

hi just wondering about the stock production rule does that mean no aftermarket aluminum heads or if i have them do i just put on the safety stuff

No aftermarket heads. You must run stock head under all conditions.
Steve.

Y can we run everything but aluminum heads??? as long as we put the safty EQ on not much diffrence other than weight???

Y can we run everything but aluminum heads??? as long as we put the safty EQ on not much diffrence other than weight???

if there not oem than can't use them follow the rules

The only ones are new trucks that come with aluminum heads and any older ones that i know of did not come with them therefore you can't have them.

y whats the diff between a set on an old motor or a set on a new motor u tell me other than the new syle work and flows way better mabe use should think about that and what about votec heads on old style motors???? its really bullshit it should be aluminum head or no alluminum head

quit stirrin the pot and read the rules and follow them you winer